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05.04.05, 07:39 AM

But really this is the way it is on every Bit Torrent site anymore except maybe Easytree where they just don't monitor anything. It just doesn't serve a purpose if a) you don't know what you're getting, you have no idea where it came from or b) you get something with digital errors.
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05.04.05, 08:07 AM

Yeah I did some looking around and seriously, that's what most of the decent torrent sites require, except for like Lou said, easytree.


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05.04.05, 08:09 AM

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Yeah I did some looking around and seriously, that's what most of the decent torrent sites require, except for like Lou said, easytree.
I understand it i guess but that will seriously limit me posting anything. Not that I have anything you guys don't but still.

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05.04.05, 08:34 AM

Well you can always re-seed, and if you want to post something, then just tell me what you want to do or ask about it in this thread if you're concerned.
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05.04.05, 08:39 AM

fair enough thanks lou
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05.05.05, 06:32 PM

What do I do for lineage if I have no clue? I have a few DLR Shows that I know nothing about exept the date.
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05.05.05, 06:42 PM

Well as I explained it's not disallowed to torrent something like that, but you just need to use your own discretion. Listen to it hard, make sure there's clicks/interruptions between tracks, pops or skips. Also check for mp3 empirically with EAC.

If it's a show from 1986 or 1988, the lineage will probably be something like this:

AUD>unknown gen cass>CDRx>EAC>WAV>FLAC

If it's 1991 or 1994, it might be a cassette, it might be a DAT recorder. If it's 1999 and beyond, it's probably going to be DAT, minidisc or a digital wave recorder. Minidisc is allowed if the original source was minidisc. You can check with EAC to see if it's minidisc sourced just as you would with mp3. In which case then the lineage would start looking like this:

AUD>???>CDRx>EAC>WAV>FLAC

Again that's not disallowed, but you can see why hopefully that's an unattractive lineage to a lot of people. If you think it sounds good, if in your estimation it's not going to get better than what you have for a particular show, if you've listened to it hard for digital errors and you didn't spot any, then go ahead with it.
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05.18.05, 12:54 PM

hey Lou any good way to remove/fix 2 sec gaps?
my experience so far has been that I end up destroying the wav file
well maybe not destroying it but it sounds like shit when put back together

I have alot of shows I'd like to share but no use in putting them up
if they have 2 sec gaps or micro gaps

and just about ready to pitch'em if I can't fix'em
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05.18.05, 01:02 PM

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hey Lou any good way to remove/fix 2 sec gaps?
my experience so far has been that I end up destroying the wav file
well maybe not destroying it but it sounds like shit when put back together

I have alot of shows I'd like to share but no use in putting them up
if they have 2 sec gaps or micro gaps

and just about ready to pitch'em if I can't fix'em
I know you asked Lou and not me but I'm gonna throw in my two cents anyways ... 99 percent of the time you have to just pitch 'em or keep them for personal listening. Whether or not they can be salvaged depends on whether the two seconds of silence was inserted in the audio or replaced audio. If the two seconds replaced audio you pretty much can't do a lot. If it inserted in the audio then you can try to remove the gaps using a WAV editor or something but nothing is going to be pretty. If the silence over-wrote audio then it gets even uglier. You can try to save them but best bet is to get a clean source.
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05.18.05, 01:13 PM

That's what I thought UGGH time to start sifting through all these boots
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05.18.05, 01:48 PM

I agree, even if you fix the two second gaps it's not exactly pure, in which case you really just oughta pitch 'em and try again.

If I could do things over again I wouldn't have torrented the cleaned-up club days shows but I could not find pure copies ANYWHERE.

This is why I'm at the point where I enjoy spending way too much time doing tape transfers. I can only get a clean copy of some of this stuff if I do it myself.
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05.18.05, 06:34 PM

I know EAC has gap removal, but I don't know if it will do TAO fixes.
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05.20.05, 11:38 AM

OK this is a new rule I'm going to add that should have been added awhile ago. If a show has been seeded already, please do not burn to audio CDR and then re-rip and re-convert to FLAC. I've been seeing discussion about this recently.

Going outside the bounds of this site, my personal take is this--if it's already out there in FLAC, then it shouldn't be converted to audio and then traded as audio CD's. To promote purity in the trading pool, you should retain the FLAC files and then do whatever you want for personal use. But archive the files on a DVD or a CD and trade only those files.

If the show hasn't been FLAC'ed, I'm OK with trading audio CD's because a mainstream copy of the show hasn't been established. But once it's been FLAC'ed and seeded, only those files should be traded to keep things pure and not confuse the trading pool.

In general, it's best to keep the CDR generations as low as possible.
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05.20.05, 01:20 PM

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OK this is a new rule I'm going to add that should have been added awhile ago. If a show has been seeded already, please do not burn to audio CDR and then re-rip and re-convert to FLAC. I've been seeing discussion about this recently.

Going outside the bounds of this site, my personal take is this--if it's already out there in FLAC, then it shouldn't be converted to audio and then traded as audio CD's. To promote purity in the trading pool, you should retain the FLAC files and then do whatever you want for personal use. But archive the files on a DVD or a CD and trade only those files.

If the show hasn't been FLAC'ed, I'm OK with trading audio CD's because a mainstream copy of the show hasn't been established. But once it's been FLAC'ed and seeded, only those files should be traded to keep things pure and not confuse the trading pool.

In general, it's best to keep the CDR generations as low as possible.
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05.29.05, 09:20 PM

ok,
i just installed shntool..but i cannot figure out to start it up..it will not work..when i click the little shntool in the file it flashes and a black screen comes up kinda like when flac starts up..
then thats it..it will not work..can someone explain how to use this idiot proof..i have windows xp 2000.

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05.30.05, 07:15 AM

Look at reply #10 on page 1 of this thread. This should help. If not PM me.
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07.26.05, 01:01 PM

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5. FLAC Fingerprints for FLAC files, MD5 checksums for SHN files. This is the key and something that will be strictly enforced.
I know this reply is a bit late, but I'm new to these forums. While I think the rules above are good for getting the best audio spread, I don't think #5 is necessary.

I'll just quote the BitTorrent page for my argument...

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How do I know the download isn't corrupted?

BitTorrent does cryptographic hashing (SHA1) of all data. When you see "Download succeeded!" you can be sure that BitTorrent has already verified the integrity of the data. The integrity and authenticity of a BitTorrent download is as good as the original request to the tracker. Checking the MD5/CRC32/other hash of a file downloaded via BitTorrent is redundant.
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07.26.05, 04:10 PM

It is necessary so that it gets on record what the checksums are, so that you can make sure that you have a perfect copy for trading down the road, and not just in terms of having a perfect copy from that torrent.

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