One-Time Seed Commentary - Please Read.

[EVH5150]

Please take the time to read this... it is going to be a one time plea of mine. This obviously does not apply to everyone, but I have seen it happen on several occasions now, ESPECIALLY with the DVDs because they are so large. The Audio Torrent forums don't seem to suffer as much... they live for a very long time. I'm sticking this up here because it'll be the first and last time that I beg. After one full day, I'll unpin it and let it die.

Anyway, here goes... PLEASE help out your seeder once you have completed the show. These DVDs are HARD to seed by yourself. I have a cable connection, and I am capped at 40kbps U/L... at that rate, a DVD can take DAYS before the first person completes. I seeded the Philly '04 show for Auk5150, and currently, 13 people have completed the download. There are still 12 leechers, and only three seeds. That means that only 2 of the 13 downloaders have bothered to stick around and help me. Here are a few things to think about the next time you finish downloading a show.

1) Seeding does NOT slow your download speeds

2) The simple ethics... someone helped you get something you really like. Couldn't you return the favor?

3) Your ratio is only a benchmark. Just because you have a ratio of one or higher (in the green) doesn't mean that you are helping where it matters. If you have two shows, and one is showing 10 seeds while the other shows 2... where do you think you're needed the most?

4) Restarting a torrent that you have downloaded to help seed is not difficult, even after it's been shut down. Just act like you're downloading it again for the first time and save to the same location you did before, and boom...you're contributing.

5) This is a community. Without the continued participation of all members, as we grow, the number of selfish people will increase. As that happens, you'll have many more leechers than you will seeds, and every torrent will move slower than a brick of Velveeta through Elvis on a cold day. Perfect example. It's 1:50 am EST right now, and there are currently a total of 177 leechers connected to the tracker. Anyone wanna guess how many seeds we have? There are 46. Granted, JamToThis has the highest seed to leecher ratio of any share site that I have seen to date. But that doesn't mean that we can't improve!! If everyone who was downloading a show, also made sure that they were seeding one, download speeds of the torrents on this site would more than triple!!!!

6) A personal note. Call it selfish or whatever you will. Eric has done a FANTASTIC job with this site, and brought it to all of us. The mods here ALL seed, CONSTANTLY. I, for one, make sure that a show is ALWAYS being shared for you guys. The other mods all contribute whatever they can, and there are many users who are just as consistant. We all notice it, and it makes a difference around here! Having said that, the next time one of you finishes a show and are ready to shut it down, think about this. When you start downloading a show, you immediately start seeding whoever is behind you in the torrent. If someone is generously seeding a show from scratch, FOR YOU, they can't start to download a show for themselves without cutting everyone else's download speed in half. The obviously generous person is not going to do that, and cannot get a show for themselves until someone like you starts helping to seed the show. On several occasions, I have missed a great show the first time around because I couldn't start downloading... didn't want to slow down my leechers. I'm sure this has happened to every one of our great contributors at one point or another.

That's it guys. I'm sorry for that, and I'm done now. 24 hours, and it's unpinned. Those of you who seed your asses off, thank you! Those of you who do your part, thank you! Those of you who don't... you know who you are... think about it. It sounds real corny with a side of cheese, but it really does feel good to spread this stuff to the other fans. Even just being a link in the chain is rewarding. Just remember that feeling you got when you popped in your first ever bootleg disc and rocked out to a show by your favorite band. Help as many people as you can to have that feeling!

Thanks for your time everyone. I appreciate it, as always, and you're comments are encouraged. :)

[Rupenator]

Quote/4) Restarting a torrent that you have downloaded to help seed is not difficult, even after it's been shut down. Just act like you're downloading it again for the first time and save to the same location you did before, and boom...you're contributing /Quote

Hey thanks for posting that.And thanks for everyone who has shared the dvds and audio. I have alot of the dvds still on my hard drive,so now that I know how to help seed, I'll get on it!! :thumb:

laters,
Rupen

[Auk5150]

evh, first off thanks again for seeding the philly show. i think your right on with the comment about seeding problems with the video section, as opposed to the audio.
Just a thought....i have to believe that i am not the only one in my situation. i am sure others are getting pressure from their isp about bandwith issues. any thought on opening another section on the board for snail mail trades. I know i look to do that for video. i have offered trades through mail for the skid row, if people would like to do that. might help, especially if its 1 or 2 leechers that really want a show.
anyway, just a thought.

later
Auk5150

[vcr5150]

very good points -

I wonder if this would help:

Would it be possible to list the top/worst 10 sharers? There would be some encouragement to get on the "top" list, and shame to keep off the "worst" list.

If you are a member of easytree, you can see what I mean at:

http://www.easytree.org/extras-stats.php

[sooner5150]

Amen to that brother! There are those who give alot and those who take alot...the takers always get screwed in the end! haha! So give to live!!!

[Lou]

I agree with about 95% of what EVH5150 said. The one thing I disagree with is that uploading, at least for me, DOES slow down my entire computer and does slow down my downloading. If that's a problem, you can still help out by seeding while you're asleep and at work, away from the computer. If you go to sleep at 11 PM, leave your comp running overnight, and then go to work and get home at say 5 PM, that's still 18 hours of seeding where it doesn't affect you in any way.

The DVD thing especially is a problem because of the size. I'm glad people are sticking around for Montreal 4/19/84 because I had my comp on 3 days straight seeding that. I think I ended up uploading 6.5 GB on that one alone, and I had to turn off my computer and give it a rest. It's especially tough for me because I'm capped at only 30 KB/sec which is why it took so long. Meanwhile I can DL at around 390 KB/sec. Those of you with generous upload speeds of say 100 KB/sec, we really need you the most.

BTW looking at that easytree list, my Sao Paulo DVD is #5 on the top 10 worst seeded torrents. 637 copies were snatched...I had no idea it was that much. I thought it was around 200.

[mondola]

Hi there,

Firstly, I'd like to offer my thanx to anyone who's offered these shows for me to download...

Secondly, this is exactly what I do with uploading. I just leave my P.C. on overnight. My ratio is a bit shit at the moment, but that's cuz I have snagged three shows and haven't managed to upload the same amount back yet.

But I'm currently co-seeding :

Sydney_42098 (3 seeds, 9 leechers)
2004 - DVD - St.Louis Missouri 7-29-04 (cuz I'd feel bad cutting off the poor bugger who's the only one leeching at the moment)
VanHalen20040611 (2 seeds, 6 leechers)

:thumb:
I stopped seeding DT - rudess experiment, cuz no-one's trying to leech it, and the same with Star Wars Episode II trailer. However, if anyone connects again, I'll ressed it !!!

[EVH5150]

As I said, I know that many of you offer up whatever you can. It's greatly appreciated by all... and we don't expect everyone to share all the time... but as Lou said... leaving your system seeding while you're not using it does wonders. I forgot that some people experienced system lag while heavily uploading, but if you're not USING the system... seed with it :D Lou also mentioned uploading 6 some odd gig for that Montreal DVD... it's doing very well, and he could very well have had to seed that even longer if it weren't such an incredibly popular download. That Philly DVD that I have seeded... I've uploaded 12.77 gig, and still counting. It just would have been nice to be able to grab something else for myself by now, but I won't stop seeding a DVD until I get 4-5 seeds other than myself.

Thanks for your input guys, and again, I appreciate you taking the time to read my groveling. I'll unpin tonight. My post is more for some of the registered folks out there who just lurk and transfer files. That's cool... if you you don't want to post comments or anything, I don't have a problem at all... but if they are going to download, I just wanted them to think about the effects of it. Perhaps some of those points I mentioned will convince a few new people to help out... It will make a difference :) Can you imagine the speed increase we'd experience if we had a 1:1 Seed:Leech ratio??!!!

Oh, and yes, we have a top 10 and a wall of shame, as well. You just go to trader ratings at the top... and you can shoot ratings to people by clicking "Rate" under the username and Avatar. So far, it's just been positive ratings for those who share and seed... you should try to leave feedback for anyone you can who has seeded or reseeded for you. After some time, we'll start to see who the productive members are and who are not. Then we lynch 'em :D Plus, I can tell what usernames match up to to those connected to my torrents. I would never mention any names, because being generous is not a REQUIREMENT of this site. But it's obviously a good idea to do your part. I watched the first 10 people drop off the Philly torrent... it's pretty much those you would expect to see. But like I said... after time, user ratings, ratio, post count, and reputation will speak for themselves :thumb:

[zoso_rocks]

I'm doing what I can on my end, I know my ratio isn't great but i'm also capped at 30kbs upload. So when I seed or upload any file it usually takes me about 1 hour to upload 100 megs which sucks. Plus I do alot of work on my computer which involves uploading a lot of the time, actually most of the time. So in my situation it's not a case of being selfish.

If your upload rate is maxed because you're seeding or uploading anything in general your ability to browse the internet, look at e-mail, or download another turrent will come to a crawl. This is because it will take longer for your computer to send outbound packets which is needed in order to connect to other IPs(peers) when using a bit torrent program or DNS servers when cruising the internet or trying to access e-mail.

A way to help alleviate this is to set the upload rate in a program like Azureus at 90% of your maximum upload rate. Which would be 27kbs if you're capped at 30kbs. You will be able to connect to more peers with Azureus (or another BT program that you can adjust your upload rate with) and you can still do your thing on the internet.

I've already decided that I won't be downloading any more torrents on here until I get my ratio up and also because my ISP are hard asses about download bandwidth and I don't want any letters in the mail. I will be seeding only for a while.

[EVH5150]

It's not necessary to pass on downloading because of ISP limitations. Again, we understand that everyone's situation is different, and we don't say shit to those who do what they can. We're here for everyone to download shows, and that's what we want everyone to do... But if nobody's using the computer, and you've got the bandwidth to spare... why not seed, ya know?

Don't stop dude...take what you can, and just help out whenever possible!! :)

[mondola]

Good point by zoso_rocks there !

I have also decided that I'm not gonna download anymore (DVDs anyway) until my rating is at least 1. i.e. I have given back what I have taken.

:thumb:

However, I did break this by snatching the VH III bootleg, as I though, ah, what's a little gigabyte ? How's that gonna hurt ?

:dunno:

The rate that bootlegs continue to be posted on here, if I miss one, then another will be along. I'm not really that fussy what I get, it's all good !!!

If all I ever managed to have were the three shows I have already, then I'd stay a happy man !!!

:bow:

[EVH5150]

I'll direct you to my response to Zoso :D

You guys have a conscience about it... and you do what you can. That's ratio enough for me. :) It's all about the effort and the attitude.

[i814u2]

so most of what i would have pointed out has been said, rather than recapping...

here's my 50 cents:

along the lines of capped uploads....i will find you and slap you if you complain about capped uploads ;) (now, no one has done this yet, im just saying.) because mine is capped at max of 20K/s and i usually only really see like 18K/s of that i would average. and i still help where i can.

this isnt an attack on anyone. more like an additional tidbit of a rant just incase someone tries to pull the "i dont have a lot of outgoing bandwidth" arguement. neither do i (at least not for seeding AND trying to use the computer comfortably) but i do it anyway.

ok im done now. back to having fun =)

[zoso_rocks]

so most of what i would have pointed out has been said, rather than recapping...

here's my 50 cents:

along the lines of capped uploads....i will find you and slap you if you complain about capped uploads ;) (now, no one has done this yet, im just saying.) because mine is capped at max of 20K/s and i usually only really see like 18K/s of that i would average. and i still help where i can.

this isnt an attack on anyone. more like an additional tidbit of a rant just incase someone tries to pull the "i dont have a lot of outgoing bandwidth" arguement. neither do i (at least not for seeding AND trying to use the computer comfortably) but i do it anyway.

ok im done now. back to having fun =)


You won't be slapping anybody but thanks for the 50 cent input. ;)

By the way 20kbs upload? What's your connection? Two Campbell soup cans tied together with bakery string? Does that double as your phone line? You scream in one soup can and hope the other person hears you through the other can.

[i814u2]

You won't be slapping anybody but thanks for the 50 cent input. ;)

By the way 20kbs upload? What's your connection? Two Campbell soup cans tied together with bakery string? Does that double as your phone line? You scream in one soup can and hope the other person hears you through the other can.


floss actually =(

[Lou]

Upload caps are just whatever your ISP wants them to be. Like mine is 30 KB/sec and I'm on Comcast...it's not that the ISP is incapable of more, they just for whatever reason don't want you to have more. With the DL speeds, same deal. A year ago it was 210 KB/sec, then they upped it to about 390 KB/sec.

[Strung]

I'll move this back to the top with a post. Forst of all that to EVH5150 for posting this because he is 100% right. I HATE DVD downloads, they are huge take for ever and sometimes you can run into problems like i recently did on Lou's BTB DVD, I had to start all over after a week of working on it.

I am not a big advocate for the share ratio thing because some folks just don't have the time or resources to share all the time. But it is ethical IMO to seed what you can when you can for as long as you feel is fair. As a general rule I will usually try to upload as much as I down load. More on audio torrents cause they are small in comparison. I don't allways do that but it is my goal.

One other note. Try to jump on these as soon as you can. Experiance here has taught me that if you want one of these you usually only have about a week and a half window before seeds really drop. Lou's DVD is a prime example. Friday that thing had 6 seeds today it has 2. It can get a little tricky but you can juggle these and get what you want.

[timmac]

One thing I try to do after each download is keep it up and running on one of my computers for at least an additional 24 hours. Having one at work that stays up all weekend, too, seems to help, since lord knows I ain't there to use it.

If there is something you can contribute to, do so. Keep updating the requested seeds thread, and everyone please continue to check it to see what's needed out there.

Thank you, everyone, for the great shows!!!

[diamondmike]

Your upload is whatever the phone company sets your profile to base on 1, your loop lenth. 2, the amount of noise on your line. Mine is set to 3Meg down, and 800kb/s up.

Leave your connection on overnight after you complete a show.